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		<title>Comment on Thomas Jefferson on exercise by Jane Flink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Flink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 01:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The advantages of walking I learned a good deal later in life than would have best  served me. As the only people who spoke much of it when I was a child were athletes, I later considered &quot;working out&quot; to be some sort of fad, like The Beatles, and continued to so consider it longer than was in my best interest.  Yes, yes.  At 83, I walk.  But I resent it.  I do SO enjoy Mr. Jefferson&#039;s regular visits!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The advantages of walking I learned a good deal later in life than would have best  served me. As the only people who spoke much of it when I was a child were athletes, I later considered &#8220;working out&#8221; to be some sort of fad, like The Beatles, and continued to so consider it longer than was in my best interest.  Yes, yes.  At 83, I walk.  But I resent it.  I do SO enjoy Mr. Jefferson&#8217;s regular visits!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thomas Jefferson on decreasing taxes by Andy</title>
		<link>http://thomasjeffersonleadership.com/blog/thomas-jefferson-on-decreasing-taxes/#comment-1323</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 03:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of his/your best posts!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Thomas Jefferson on decreasing taxes by Patrick Lee</title>
		<link>http://thomasjeffersonleadership.com/blog/thomas-jefferson-on-decreasing-taxes/#comment-1318</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 20:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He would be horrified! HORRIFIED!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Thomas Jefferson on decreasing taxes by Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 16:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Mr. Jefferson thought the government was doing too much after only 12 years, I hate to think of his reaction if he saw the government&#039;s extent today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Mr. Jefferson thought the government was doing too much after only 12 years, I hate to think of his reaction if he saw the government&#8217;s extent today!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thomas Jefferson on the &#8220;wall of separation,&#8221; Part 3 by Patrick Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for commenting!
I think the &quot;biblical tract&quot; you refer to was Jefferson&#039;s private devotional drawn from the four gospels and based on the life and morals of Jesus. It was for his personal use and shared only with a close friend or two. It was never for public use. Knowledge of it came to light only long after Jefferson&#039;s death.
There are several articles circulating which claim Jefferson&#039;s support for Christian evangelizing the Indians at government expense. Those articles, and others of their nature, don&#039;t stand up to a close examination and comparison with Jefferson&#039;s views.
I&#039;m glad you enjoy the blog. I enjoy writing it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting!<br />
I think the &#8220;biblical tract&#8221; you refer to was Jefferson&#8217;s private devotional drawn from the four gospels and based on the life and morals of Jesus. It was for his personal use and shared only with a close friend or two. It was never for public use. Knowledge of it came to light only long after Jefferson&#8217;s death.<br />
There are several articles circulating which claim Jefferson&#8217;s support for Christian evangelizing the Indians at government expense. Those articles, and others of their nature, don&#8217;t stand up to a close examination and comparison with Jefferson&#8217;s views.<br />
I&#8217;m glad you enjoy the blog. I enjoy writing it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thomas Jefferson on the &#8220;wall of separation,&#8221; Part 3 by Doug Indeap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Indeap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The primary purpose of the First Amendment religion clauses is neither to protect religion nor government from one another, but rather to protect individuals&#039; religious freedom.  The free-exercise clause does this directly by constraining the government from prohibiting individuals from freely exercising their religions.  The establishment clause does this indirectly by constraining government from promoting or otherwise taking steps to establish any religion, thus assuring that individuals are free to exercise their religions without fearing the government will favor the religions of others and thus disfavor theirs.

Some who nonetheless would like to use government to promote their religion have argued that the First Amendment works only in one direction--to protect religion from government, but not the other way around.  This, they suppose, would leave them free to insinuate their religion into government and thereby effectively establish it as the nation&#039;s religion.  To the extent that the First Amendment prevents that, it can be said to at least have the effect of protecting government from religion.  Indeed, the notion of a one directional wall is self-contradictory:  If any church is free to so influence and control government and thereby achieve a favored or established status, all individuals are at risk of their religions falling into disfavor with government and facing discriminatory treatment.  One of the primary aims of the First Amendment is to prevent just that.

Separation of church and state does not prevent citizens from making decisions and voicing opinions based on principles derived from their religions. Moreover, the religious beliefs of government officials naturally may inform their decisions on policies.  In this context, the principle of separation of church and state does, though, constrain government officials not to make decisions with the predominant purpose or primary effect of advancing religion; in other words, the predominant purpose and primary effect must be nonreligious or secular in nature. A decision coinciding with religious views is not invalid for that reason as long as it has a secular purpose and effect.

Confusion understandably arises because the constitutional principle is sometimes equated with a widely supported political doctrine that generally calls for political dialogue to be conducted on grounds other than religion. The underlying reasons for that approach are many, but two primary ones are that it facilitates discussion amongst people of all beliefs by predicating discussion on grounds accessible to all and, further, it avoids, in some measure at least, putting our respective religious beliefs directly “in play” in the political arena, so we’re not put in the position of directly disputing or criticizing each other’s religious beliefs in order to address a political issue. This political doctrine, of course, is not “law” (unlike the constitutional separation of church and state, which is), but rather is a societal norm concerning how we can best conduct political dialogue in a religiously diverse society. Reasonable people can disagree about whether the doctrine is a good idea or not and whether or how it should influence us in particular circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The primary purpose of the First Amendment religion clauses is neither to protect religion nor government from one another, but rather to protect individuals&#8217; religious freedom.  The free-exercise clause does this directly by constraining the government from prohibiting individuals from freely exercising their religions.  The establishment clause does this indirectly by constraining government from promoting or otherwise taking steps to establish any religion, thus assuring that individuals are free to exercise their religions without fearing the government will favor the religions of others and thus disfavor theirs.</p>
<p>Some who nonetheless would like to use government to promote their religion have argued that the First Amendment works only in one direction&#8211;to protect religion from government, but not the other way around.  This, they suppose, would leave them free to insinuate their religion into government and thereby effectively establish it as the nation&#8217;s religion.  To the extent that the First Amendment prevents that, it can be said to at least have the effect of protecting government from religion.  Indeed, the notion of a one directional wall is self-contradictory:  If any church is free to so influence and control government and thereby achieve a favored or established status, all individuals are at risk of their religions falling into disfavor with government and facing discriminatory treatment.  One of the primary aims of the First Amendment is to prevent just that.</p>
<p>Separation of church and state does not prevent citizens from making decisions and voicing opinions based on principles derived from their religions. Moreover, the religious beliefs of government officials naturally may inform their decisions on policies.  In this context, the principle of separation of church and state does, though, constrain government officials not to make decisions with the predominant purpose or primary effect of advancing religion; in other words, the predominant purpose and primary effect must be nonreligious or secular in nature. A decision coinciding with religious views is not invalid for that reason as long as it has a secular purpose and effect.</p>
<p>Confusion understandably arises because the constitutional principle is sometimes equated with a widely supported political doctrine that generally calls for political dialogue to be conducted on grounds other than religion. The underlying reasons for that approach are many, but two primary ones are that it facilitates discussion amongst people of all beliefs by predicating discussion on grounds accessible to all and, further, it avoids, in some measure at least, putting our respective religious beliefs directly “in play” in the political arena, so we’re not put in the position of directly disputing or criticizing each other’s religious beliefs in order to address a political issue. This political doctrine, of course, is not “law” (unlike the constitutional separation of church and state, which is), but rather is a societal norm concerning how we can best conduct political dialogue in a religiously diverse society. Reasonable people can disagree about whether the doctrine is a good idea or not and whether or how it should influence us in particular circumstances.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thomas Jefferson on the &#8220;wall of separation,&#8221; Part 3 by CFloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>CFloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are saying Jefferson didn&#039;t support any particular religion while in govnerment, but didn&#039;t he put together a biblical tract (the one so many accuse him of making with no miracles or some such) for the Indians in hope of converting them to Christianity? It seems he wrote he did not believe in a cohersive power of the government for a particular denomiination, but apparently he did believe it to be within the law and right of the government to offer conversion to people who were not yet Chrisitans? He wrote he was pleased that now the Muslims were free as well as others to practice their beliefs with his Virginia statutes, but is this evidence he still believed in the right of gonvernment being a vehicle to offer Christianity? There is so much misinformation about Jefferson out there - including on subjects of slavery, adultery - or indescretions - and agnostisism, not to mention this weighty accusation that has become a standard for the Supreme Court. What are you thoughts on using a personal letter of a President as grounds for creating law or language to then judge cases upon? What do you think Jefferson would say about it? Thank you for this awesome blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are saying Jefferson didn&#8217;t support any particular religion while in govnerment, but didn&#8217;t he put together a biblical tract (the one so many accuse him of making with no miracles or some such) for the Indians in hope of converting them to Christianity? It seems he wrote he did not believe in a cohersive power of the government for a particular denomiination, but apparently he did believe it to be within the law and right of the government to offer conversion to people who were not yet Chrisitans? He wrote he was pleased that now the Muslims were free as well as others to practice their beliefs with his Virginia statutes, but is this evidence he still believed in the right of gonvernment being a vehicle to offer Christianity? There is so much misinformation about Jefferson out there &#8211; including on subjects of slavery, adultery &#8211; or indescretions &#8211; and agnostisism, not to mention this weighty accusation that has become a standard for the Supreme Court. What are you thoughts on using a personal letter of a President as grounds for creating law or language to then judge cases upon? What do you think Jefferson would say about it? Thank you for this awesome blog.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Thomas Jefferson Birthday Puzzle by Herschel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herschel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends on the style of calendar available at teh time and whether he was using the old style, Julian, or new style, Gregorian, calendar.</description>
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		<title>Comment on A Thomas Jefferson Birthday Puzzle by Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You peaked my interest with this when I read birthday puzzle! I always love a challenge, especially when I may learn something ... this is what I found... is it what you were looking for???

TJ lived during the time Great Britain, Ireland and the British colonies eventually converted to the Gregorian calendar, so he instructed that his tombstone bear his dates of birth and death in the Old Style and New Style, respectively.
At Jefferson&#039;s birth the difference would have been eleven days between styles, had the New Style been converted to yet, as is evidenced by his &quot;original&quot; birthday of 2 April and his New Style birthday of 13 April.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You peaked my interest with this when I read birthday puzzle! I always love a challenge, especially when I may learn something &#8230; this is what I found&#8230; is it what you were looking for???</p>
<p>TJ lived during the time Great Britain, Ireland and the British colonies eventually converted to the Gregorian calendar, so he instructed that his tombstone bear his dates of birth and death in the Old Style and New Style, respectively.<br />
At Jefferson&#8217;s birth the difference would have been eleven days between styles, had the New Style been converted to yet, as is evidenced by his &#8220;original&#8221; birthday of 2 April and his New Style birthday of 13 April.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Thomas Jefferson Birthday Puzzle by Robert Johnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The change from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian calendar?  Not sure when that happened....</description>
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